VS 2008 Two Tier Application Over The WAN?
Oct 16, 2011
i am on a project of two tier application with VB.NET + SQL server R2. except desk top applications i never done networked applications + i don't know asp.net
i require advise in few areas
(1) is the encryption required
(2) what are the security measures i must take in terms of connection security
(3) how to use the server effectively with out putting much burden through good client end design
(4) any other guide lines / pit falls
(5) should i continue with vb.net or must & should switch over to asp
(6) what should be the minimum configuration of client system,
(7) Preferable is the thin client systems , is it possible to use thin clients
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Oct 14, 2009
Im trying to build my first N-Tier web application. And it seems like im doing it wrong. Ive been kinda working out of this book, but to me it doesnt seem like the right way to do this. In the book the guy builds User and Data centric objects but everywhere I see ntier everyone is always talking about BLL and DAL ive seen nothign on UC and DC objects.Right now I have Interfaces and serializable structures, user and data centric objects. The data centric object does all the validation and connecting to the db, as well as returns any violated rules, but when I once i started pulling it all together it just doesnt seem right.Ive already wrote a ____ load of code and now am kinda stuck. I dont know if i am doing this right and dont want to continue writing any code if this is all messed up.Ive been reading as much as humanly possible and im still just a little confused. I mean I understand the concepts of seperating the logic into different layers and tiers and all that but as far as my implementation of that I just feel somethings a bit off.
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Dec 12, 2009
I have a solution and I want to divide it up into Business Tier, Data Tier, etc. I think I have to do this by creating a project that contains the data source, another with the forms, etc. Every time I try to add a new project, it literally opens a new project, seperate from the first.
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Apr 12, 2010
I have attempted to make my first 3 tier application. In the process I have run into one problem I am yet to find an optimal solution for. Basically all my objects use an IFillable interface which forces the implementation of a sub as follows
Public Sub Fill(ByVal Datareader As Data.IDataReader) Implements IFillable.Fill
This sub then expects the Ids from the datareader will be identical to the properties of the object as such.
Me.m_StockID = Datareader.GetGuid(Datareader.GetOrdinal("StockID"))
In the end I end up with a datalayer that looks something like this.
Public Shared Function GetStockByID(ByVal ConnectionString As String, ByVal StockID As Guid) As Stock
Dim res As New Stock
Using sqlConn As New SqlConnection(ConnectionString)[code].....
Mostly this pattern seems to make sense. However my problem is, lets say I want to implement a property for Stock called StockBarcodeList.Under the above mentioned pattern any way I implement this property I will need to pass a connectionstring to it which obviously breaks my attempt at layer separation.how I might be able to solve this problem or am I going about this the completely wrong way? I am deliberately trying to avoid using the dataset in any form.
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Oct 21, 2009
Using VB.NET 2008 I want to know what is 3 Tier Architecture for windows application? How to make a code for Inserting, Deleting, Updating in a database using 3 tier architecture.
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Feb 8, 2011
Building a large application using 3 tier architecture in vb.net. Question: I am a vb.net developer. I have developed small and medium size application with 2 tier architecture. Now I am going to develop a large application. I have decided to develop that application using 3 tier architecture. So I studied about 3 tier. Now I know how what is 3 tier and how to develop a simple application. And also I studied about .Net Remoting and Web services. In my project, 7 modules are available. Each module has 3 layers. How can I manage in a Single Solution?
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Dec 4, 2009
I am a fairly rookie programmer who is trying to learn the basics of n-layered architecture (DAL, BLL, UI). The application I am programming is a single tier, 3-layer application written in VB.NET (.Net 3.5). Layers as follows:
DAL
BLL
UI
COMMON - contains DTO's right now.
I am having trouble determining what to pass between my BLL and UI. My instinct tells me that I should only pass data to the UI, and not the full business object from the BLL. Consider two scenarios:
1) Pass the BO directly from BLL to UI. This exposes BO methods and allows the UI direct access to the BO, which seems bad.
2) Pass only the pertinent data from the BO to the UI. For instance, a customer has a Name and Address. This data is really what we want to show/edit in the UI, so we would only return that data to the UI instead of the full BO. The UI would then call to the BLL to update a specific BO.
I am inclined to use #2, but I don't know the best way to implement it. The way I have it programmed now, if I only return data from the BLL, all references to my BO's will be lost and the GC will claim them. Based on this, I have some questions:
1) Should I keep business objects alive between calls to the BLL? The alternative is to re-create them every time I pass data through the BLL, which seems wrong.
2) What is the best way to keep a BO alive in a single tier architecture (how to hold a reference if we dont pass it to the UI?)
3) How do n-tier applications do this? Do they keep the BO's alive in the BLL and wait for an update from the UI? Doesn't this require a lot of "book keeping" in the BLL to make sure BO's are released when they are no longer needed?
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Nov 5, 2009
I have followed this walkthough at http:[url]...but I am having problems working out how to save changes to the Local Database Cache so that I can use the bidirectional sync. This walkthough does not provide the code to save local changes,I have added the line of code for the bidirectional sync and it works if you drag datasources direct onto the form from the XSD but this uses the component TableAdapterManager and the method UpdateALL which I cannot see how to implement in this Walkthough ?how I change the local Database Cache and update back to server in this walkthrough ?
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May 20, 2009
I'm creating an N-Tier (or at least I think its N-Tier!) solution where I have the following:
WPF client side application (presentation layer)
WCF service hosted in a windows service (data access layer)
SQL database (data layer)
Now bearing in mind this is the first time I've tried to design anything like this, I might be going about it completely the wrong way...I've created 3 examples classes that would be my 'business objects' (im not quite sure where that fits in within the layers I listed above, because these business objects would be defined in a DLL that would be used by both the presentation layer and the data access layer). You can see them here:So then in my WCF service (data access layer) I would have methods like this that would be exposed to the WPF client:These are just examples but you get the idea. Is this the right way to do something like this?I saw one design that someone had posted somewhere that basically looked to me like it merged the Business Objects and the DAL together because in their class that represented an order, they had properties like you would expect for Order Number etc etc but then they also had methods like "GetOrders" within there too.I dunno I'm still very new to this type of design but I thought that the idea of the business objects was that they just represented business items, such as orders etc, so I thought they would just purely hold properties/fields and no methods or anything like that
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Jun 21, 2010
I am writing a program that utilizes a three-tier structure with presentation, business and persistence classes. I am needing to use a ComboBox to select a specific account type which will call a class. How do I get the program to call a class after the user has selected an account type from the ComboBox?
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Apr 4, 2012
I am referencing a project so I can create a messaging system on my website. [URL] how I would replicate this function in my dal and bll so that I can get the same output. In the example they use a datacontext. I mostly return datatables in frim my DAL.
public List<MessageWithRecipient> GetMessagesByAccountID(Int32 AccountID, Int32 PageNumber, MessageFolders Folder)
{
List<MessageWithRecipient> result = new List<MessageWithRecipient>();
using(FisharooDataContext dc = conn.GetContext())
[code]....
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Jun 16, 2009
I have recently built an N-Tier app using VB.Net 2008. The application is based on Beth Massi's tutorial at [URL] I am trying to incorporate a datagrridview control on a Parent form - one parent (father and mother) to many children. For example,
[Code]...
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Dec 7, 2011
I want to understand N-tier architecture and example of application for same.
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Dec 14, 2010
I downloaded a 3 tier sample code , but that has no code for related tables, I am trying to complete this.
These are the tables and part of the sample code
[CODE...]
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Apr 27, 2010
I usually create N Tier applications with ASP .Net applications as per the advice at ASP .Net (data tutorials). Recently ive tried to create an N Tier Windows Form database application and found the method im use to (i.e. ASP .Net) doesnt really work (unless i was doing something wrong).
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Sep 7, 2010
how can i add records using n-tier and stored procedure""
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Feb 1, 2012
My immediate issue is that currently I have a 3 tier solution (Presentation.aspx.vb calls BusinessLayer.vb which calls DataAccessLayer.vb). However, I want to make BusinessLayer and DataAccessLayer.vb abstract classes because several Webforms will use have the same functionality.
So I currently am doing this (no abstract classes):
'Presentation Layer (pseudocode)
public sub checkUser(byval userName as string, byval dept as string)
dim isGood as boolean = BL.checkUserAccess(userName, dept)
[Code].....
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Jul 29, 2010
Which options are there to make your 3-Tier System.Client / Common / Server Now we work with the entityframework and agatha. But are there other options to make a good 3-Tier system?
The agatha framework, makes for us the request/response on the common site. On the server site the response will be filled in. But are there other framework to do all that work for you? Or should you do it without such framework. And call at the server site stored procedure? Or with LINQ? With the agatha we query the repository's with some LINQ queries.
But i am wonna know if there are other ways to do the communication. Maybe there are other and better ways to do it. I hope i get some usefull answer. Where i can read some new things.
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May 23, 2011
I have a large application that has always existed all in a single .NET project up until recently (200,000+ LOC). I'm finally getting to the point where I can fix this. I just started using the Entity Framework (4.1 using code first) and I believe this is a good time to start seperating my logic.
What I did is I separated my application into three subprojects:UI - Windows forms project Business - The POCO classes Data - Legacy data access code AND the DBContext class to connect my POCO classes to the database. I also have a Windows service project and will soon have a WCF project, but those concern me less.
The problem is that in this plan, the data layer depends on the business layer and vice versa causing a circular reference error. There is no way around this.So, my idea is to move my POCO classes into the data layer removing all business logic first (just keeping the database fields, basically). Then, I will inherit from those classes in the business layer adding back all the business rules. Then my data access layer will not rely on any other project, the business layer will rely just on the data access layer, and the interface layer will rely on both for now but eventually only on the business layer.
Does anyone see any problems with this, or a better way of doing things given my current circumstances?
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May 20, 2010
I am trying to develop in my pc this basic 3 tier solution out of these links [URL] and [URL]
I have problems because the dataset in one part is OrdersDataSet.xsd, as said in the link ,but some lines bellow in the code show me this lines:
Imports ta = NorthwindDataSetTableAdapters
Partial Public Class NorthwindDataSet
Private taOrders As New ta.OrdersTableAdapter
[CODE].........
When i put this in the code it tells me an error message simmilar to this the namespace does not exist or do not have a public member.
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Oct 21, 2010
The below code doesn't work becuase I need to somehow feed the DataText and Value fields. I need to somehow amend the code to allow me to populate my RadioButtonList and to fit inside my 3-tier architecture. My first time doing this so I'm a little lost.
' rblAnswers.DataTextField = dt.Columns(1).ToString
' rblAnswers.DataValueField = dt.Columns(0).ToString
'Calls
[code]....
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Feb 19, 2011
I'm trying to learn this and had gone through some tutorials (found on googling).But most of them are a bit harder to understand. An easy to understand version was not found Do you know any links to a good tutorial ?
Also, where can I get a good example program written using 3-tier architecture in VB ?
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Aug 13, 2010
I have a relatively small project and I'm using a 3 tier architecture. Now I'm thinking about on how to split up some of the functions in different data classes.
For example I have a User class and a Group class. My User class has a User.GetGroups function and my Group class has a Group.GetUsers function. Would I put the first in the UserData class as UserData.GetGroups or in GroupData.GetGroupsForUser or perhaps a completely separate UserGoupData class?
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Jun 21, 2010
tier coding in retrieving data from database and display it in label.
I got the code for data access layer but im not sure if it's right:
Public Function getFeedbackQ(ByVal Question1 As String, ByVal Question2 As String, ByVal Question3 As String) As System.Data.DataSet
[code].....
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Dec 8, 2010
It's a simple 3-Tier Structure Windows Form Application using Visual Basics 2008 express edition. I need to populate a ComboBox (User Interface Layer) using an Array with only 3 names (Data Access Layer and Business Logic Layer). I think I'm close to it but I'm unable to pass the data from the DAL all the way to the UI properly. When I run the application, My ComboBox gives me choices but the three choices are
[Code]....
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Jan 8, 2010
I have problems with the updating and deleting of records in database. I'm using ObjectDataSource and the GridView to display the results in the database. Below is the codes for the update and delete (in the DAL (data access layer). BTW, I'm doing 3 tier architecture in VB.
'update the records accordingly in the database.
Public Function UpdateBooks(ByVal title As String, ByVal borrowDate As String, ByVal dueDate As String, ByVal NameBorrower As String, ByVal book_id As Integer) As Integer
Dim connectionString As String = My.Settings.dbConnection
[Code] .....
I don't know why, but every time I try to update (by clicking on the update button), every thing is not updated, the page would refresh then the records still remain the same in the GridView. As for delete, when I clicked on the 'delete' button, the record is not deleted, it still remains there.
These are the codes in the (BLL (business logic layer)):
Public Function getUpdateBooks(ByVal title As String, ByVal borrowDate As String, ByVal dueDate As String, ByVal NameBorrower As String, ByVal book_id As Integer) As Integer
Dim ds As Integer = UserDA.UpdateBooks(title, borrowDate, dueDate, NameBorrower, book_id)
Return ds
[Code] .....
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Jul 4, 2009
How to build the n'tier application. I have read some book tell about this, like "Building Client/Server Applications With VB.NET" by Jeff Levinson, beth massi video tutorial "building simple n-tier applications", and other else.
In my practice, i create 3 projects to handle each layer progress. That are DAL (Data Access Layer), BLL(Business Logic Layer) and UIL (User Interface Layer).
My problem is i don't want to use web service like beth massi do, and i don't want to use remote object like Jeff L do. So i decide to create it by my rules. Here above something that i do.
In DAL Section, I put all datasource like Beth Massi do over here. I also create a manager class like massi do to handle datasource over here. Also in this class, i create the UML structure of this datasource.
[code]...
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Jul 27, 2010
I have a ASP.NET (C#) web page which utilizes a VB class library. The VB library performs a SOAP POST to a remote web service and returns a message. However the VB library keeps running into a "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" However, I've also created a C# test client which consumes the same VB class library and can perform the post just fine! [code]
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May 28, 2010
How to develop a 3 tier soution saying this. If you want to make a simple 3 layer system (3tier is for a longtime complete misused by marketing from Microsoft, 3 tier needs something like a Unix computer) However, do this: start a Windows Form project, then do 2 times File -> Add New -> Project -> Class Library while you name one DataLayer and the other BusinessLayer. While the DataLayer project is selected, you do Add New Item and take the Component (give it the name DataBaseHandling). Then while that component is open. In top Data -> and than what you want to select, however create in fact the DataSet and Adapter in that.
Don't forget to set in your main project a reference using Poject -> Project too your two datalayers. It is easy and don't need all those images, those you will see pasing by doing this. Try to avoid to use your DataLayer in your BusinessLayer which is often done, because then those layers make in fact no sence. i am not an expert The bussiness and datalayer in the same solution really? And when he said: "While the DataLayer project is selected, you do Add New Item and take the Component (give it the name DataBaseHandling)." What kind of component should i choose? and what about the presentation layer? how to call one layer to the other,
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Apr 26, 2010
is it possible to make one application send a task to another application and recieve the result from that secondary app?i made a text editor program and i added a scan feature and i made another app that has ocr capabilities.The scanner ability is in my text editor program, the ocr program doesnt scan you have to input an image into it and it will give text result a few seconds later.the prob is alot of times the ocr code uses sooo much memory and crashes when its incorporated with my text editor, but individually each application works fine and doesnt take too much memory. Memory wont be even an issue if the ocr program is standalone so that when it is done decoding image the application can be made to exit. now here is the question, how do i make my text editor send the image to the ocr program and how do i make my ocr program send the text back to my text editor? is it possible? i mean the only way i know off is creating temp files in a certain folder and having a timer on each program that keeps waiting for temp files. That just seems like pretty lame coding to me i was wondering if there's a better way?
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